Guardian 26,492 by Arachne

Apologies for the delay, forgot it was my turn, so this is a bit rushed, can’t explain one of them either.

Been a long time since I blogged an Arachne but always welcome with wit and a bit of politics splashed about.

 

completed grid
Across
9 LANDOWNER
Prince Charles, perhaps, starts to lecture architects — numbingly dispiriting experience (9)
L(ecture) A(rchitects) N(umbingly) & DOWNER (dispiriting)
10 OMEGA
Watch last in series (5)
Double def – ish Omega make watches
11 DATUM
Workers occupying barricade, showing modicum of intelligence (5)
T(rade) U(nion) in DAM
12 INCURIOUS
Get into debt, asking no questions (9)
INCUR (get into) & I.O.U.S (debt)
13 IMPETUS
Arachne’s misconduct upset force (7)
I (a)M  (Arachne) & UPSET* misconducted
14 A PRIORI
Boris sheds clothes on foolish date, as we may deduce (1,6)
APR 1st (foolish date) & (b)ORI(s) without outer clothing. Not an image I wish to keep during the day thank you Arachne
17 FACTS
Waller walls up 100 11s (5)
FATS (waller) with C (100) inserted – 11 is datum
19 TOE
Tip: every second counts during stroke (3)
Alternate letters of sTrOkE
20 MARKS
Indicates position of red giant using sound waves (5)
I thought for a while this was something to do with the planet MARS but I’m sure now it a homophone for (karl) MARX
21 AMNESIA
One seaman treated for memory loss (7)
[1 SEAMAN)* is treated
22 MILKMAN
Fellow afloat almost two thirds of mile inside Italian city (7)
KM (kilometre - about 2/3 of a mile) in MILAN
24 BEER BELLY
The Budweiser Corporation? (4,5)
Cryptic def
26 NODDY
“Taxi Driver” — wooden-headed eccentric in New York (5)
ODD (eccentric) in N(ew) Y(ork). Lovely definition 🙂
28 BEGUN
Ban organisation after petition started (5)
Ban Ki Moon’s U(nited) N(ations) after BEG (petition)
29 INAMORATA
I’m grateful after a traveller returned love (9)
ROMANI (traveller) & TA (I’m grateful) & A all reversed
Down
1 GLAD
Good boy feeling pleasure (4)
G(ood) & LAD (boy)
2 INSTEP
Arch-villains disposing of property and laying up treasure (6)
VILLA (property) removed from (villa)INS & PET treasure reversed laid up
3 DOGMATISTS
Certain people crash Tim’s stag do (10)
[TIMS STAG DO]* has crashed
4 UNDIES
Nun, scratching head, pegs out smalls (6)
(n)UN without head & DIES (pegs out)
5 WRECKAGE
Debris of party in riotous rag week (8)
C(onservative) in [RAG WEEK]* riotous
6 POUR
Report unfortunate discharge (4)
Hom of POOR
7 ZERO HOUR
Oh! It’s time to go! (4,4)
O (zero) & H(our)
8 PASS
Meet one’s maker, while wearing pyjamas inside out (4)
AS (while) in P(yjama)S without its insides
13 INFRA
About to receive a broadcast (see below) (5)
 OK can’t see this one yet. Ideas please
15 RAMBLING ON
Spaniard eats expensive and tasteless stuff in Wittering (8,2)
BLING inside RAMON (a spanish name)
16 IBSEN
Sibs enjoy pinching play­fellow (5)
Whimsical def for playwright, hidden answer
18 CONVERGE
Meet criminal grass at side of road (8)
CON (criminal) & VERGE
19 TRAIL MIX
Food for tramp in Spooner’s mantraps (5,3)
Spoonerism of MALE TRICKS
22 MAYDAY
Home Secretary has support of Sun? We’re in trouble (6)
(Theresa) MAY & SUN(day). Don’t mistake her for Teresa May…
23 MEDIAN
I amend rough average (6)
[I AMEND]* roughly
24 BOBS
When you skip over, bust bounces up and down (4)
O(ver) removed from B(o)OBS – bust
25 BING
Crosby Beach imported numerous Gormleys (nether regions to be ignored) (4)
Initial letters of Beach Imported Numerous Gormleys
27 YEAR
Wanting new long period of global revolution (4)
N(ew) removed fro YEAR(n) – long
*anagram

57 comments on “Guardian 26,492 by Arachne”

  1. Avatar for Aoxomoxoa
    Comment #1
    Aoxomoxoa
    February 11, 2015 at 11:53 am at

    Thanks for the crossword and the blog. Loved this one although I had a few problems on the way. I thought 1D was GLEE for quite a while, and couldn’t parse 24. I didn’t get 19 (I do find some of these Spoonerisms rather ‘forced’) and, round this way, POOR at 6 is pronounced ‘Pooh-r’ (I do understand that there are regional variations). I’m embarrassed to say that I thought the clue to 25 was very ‘clunky’ until I remembered what the Gormleys are, after which it became an excellent clue 😉

    Thanks again for a good workout.

  2. Avatar for Eileen
    Comment #2
    Eileen
    February 11, 2015 at 11:54 am at

    Thanks, flashling – but I was waiting for you to explain 13dn! ðŸ™

    Sheer delight, of course. Lovely to see Arachne back again, relatively soon.

    Favourite clues: 14ac [although, as flashling says, it doesn’t bear thinking about] and 22ac – but I could pick out lots more.

    Many thanks, Arachne, as ever.

  3. Avatar for Eccles45
    Comment #3
    Eccles45
    February 11, 2015 at 11:56 am at

    13d homonym of “in for a”

  4. Avatar for Lilibet
    Comment #4
    Lilibet
    February 11, 2015 at 11:58 am at

    13 down Sounds like “in for a” ?

  5. Avatar for jkb_ing
    Comment #5
    jkb_ing
    February 11, 2015 at 11:58 am at

    most enjoyable, from one of my favourite setters.

    a possible thought on 13d – INFRA sounds like “In for a” (about to receive).

  6. Avatar for crypticsue
    Comment #6
    crypticsue
    February 11, 2015 at 11:59 am at

    A midweek treat thank you Arachne and Flashling.

  7. Avatar for Robi
    Comment #7
    February 11, 2015 at 12:00 pm at

    Thanks Arachne, great to see you here again!

    Thanks flashling, I cannot fathom INFRA either. Some really great clues, I particularly liked INSTEP, BOBS & A PRIORI.

  8. Avatar for Dave Ellison
    Comment #8
    Dave Ellison
    February 11, 2015 at 12:13 pm at

    Thanks flashling and Arachne, nice to have one of your puzzles again.

    I was toying with BOOB for 24d; OB = “when you skip over”, and up and down for OB.

    I can’t see INFRA either. If it’s “In for a”, what is the “see” doing?

  9. Avatar for Tupu
    Comment #9
    Tupu
    February 11, 2015 at 12:18 pm at

    Thanks flashling and Arachne
    Very enjoyable. I also thought infra equals in for a.
    19d was my last in and 28a took a long time before the penny dropped.

  10. Avatar for jkb_ing
    Comment #10
    jkb_ing
    February 11, 2015 at 12:23 pm at

    “see” might be part of the definition – i.e. see below?

  11. Avatar for Herb
    Comment #11
    Herb
    February 11, 2015 at 12:41 pm at

    Comments 2-10 are probably some kind of cross-posting record.

    Great puzzle!

  12. Avatar for Paul(not that one)
    Comment #12
    Paul(not that one)
    February 11, 2015 at 12:41 pm at

    I had 29a as A ROMANI reversed with TA after. Enjoyed this with pennies dropping all over the place.

  13. Avatar for drofle
    Comment #13
    drofle
    February 11, 2015 at 12:43 pm at

    As others have said, some lovely clues. My favourites were NODDY, MILKMAN, INAMORATA and UNDIES. Many thanks to Arachne and flashling.

  14. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #14
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 12:53 pm at

    Yes, IN FOR A homophone is intended, but a very difficult clue to solve.

    I found myself saying ‘hmm’ to many of these, but I had definite quibbles at 10a brand name; 17a dbe and problem with datums/ data; 19a very woolly; 20a unintentionally misleading re Mars; 22 poor definition; 2d unfair use of hyphen; 5d C is not a party, that’s a double operation and unfair; 13d as described; 22d a riot of dbe, though nice to see a ?; 25d dbe.

    24a another brand name, but I did like it. Not a good Arachne puzzle really, I think I remember her being better than this.

  15. Avatar for Cookie
    Comment #15
    February 11, 2015 at 1:16 pm at

    Thanks Arachne and flashling.

    I needed help with parsing Marks and several others, INFRA most infuriating !

    Some of the answers were a hoot, INCURIOUS, MILKMAN, A PRIORI, BEER BELLY …

  16. Avatar for Mitz
    Comment #16
    February 11, 2015 at 1:20 pm at

    Thanks Arachne, and flashling for what I wouldn’t have realised was a hastily prepared blog if you hadn’t said so.

    It’s like she was never away. 7 & 8 the pick for me, but there are so many others.

    @hh

    You’ve surpassed yourself. “20a unintentionally misleading re Mars”. Ha!

    1) How do you know it was unintentional?
    2) Why on Earth (or indeed Mars) would misdirection in a cryptic crossword ever be a bad thing, intentional or not?

    Also, if 19a is “very woolly” which word(s) would you delete?

    In the interest of evenhandedness, I have to admit that I raised an eyebrow at 5d for the same reason as you, but your objections to brand names and misleading punctuation in crosswords are preposterous.

  17. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #17
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm at

    Well Mitz @ 16 I don’t invite agreement, I just report my experience of the day’s crossword. I must say I find your response a little aggressive.

    Re your specific remarks, thank you for your opinions. On 19 of course it is not for me to rewrite the clue. Simply deleting extraneous words is not the way forward however 😀

  18. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #18
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 1:44 pm at

    BTW Mitz you will find that while people do not object to misleading punctuation in clues generally, when the definition is interfered with, many do. That was my specific objection in that case. You made it sound general, which is of course itself unfair.

  19. Avatar for Cookie
    Comment #19
    February 11, 2015 at 1:59 pm at

    MARKS, still not convinced by the homophone explanation. Mars is the red plant and k is the wave number or, written in bold, the wave vector.

  20. Avatar for Mitz
    Comment #20
    February 11, 2015 at 2:05 pm at

    @hh

    Apologies if I came across as aggressive. I was going for “amused”.

    “I had definite quibbles at…” – your intro to a list of clues. That isn’t “reporting your experience” it is very plainly stating that you feel there is something wrong with those clues. And if you feel there is something wrong, then why is it not your place to offer an improvement?

    But most of all I am genuinely curious as to why you think misdirection in a cryptic crossword clue is a bad thing.

  21. Avatar for Mitz
    Comment #21
    February 11, 2015 at 2:08 pm at

    @Cookie

    Thanks for that – I didn’t know about “k” being the wave number. Every chance that Arachne intended both that and the homophone – makes it a doubly clever clue.

  22. Avatar for flashling
    Comment #22
    flashling
    February 11, 2015 at 2:11 pm at

    RE MARS/MARKS I did wonder about that but Mars isn’t a red giant other than the sense that all planets are pretty big

  23. Avatar for beery hiker
    Comment #23
    beery hiker
    February 11, 2015 at 2:16 pm at

    Plenty of entertainment, wit and invention as ever from Arachne. Last in was TRAIN-LIX after TOE – didn’t help myself by writing CUT for 19. Liked INCURIOUS, BEER BELLY, FACTS, RAMBLING ON and ZERO HOUR.

    Thanks to Arachne and flashling

  24. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #24
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 2:17 pm at

    Hi Mitz

    It’s obvious I think, based on each quibble, what I would prefer to see, but I disagree with you that it is incumbent upon me to rewrite any clue that I don’t personally like. Even if I could! I just say why I don’t like it, to which a balanced response would be, ‘okay then hedgehoggy, fair enough, you’ve made your point’. Others can refute it or agree with it as they please, or just ignore me, but there’s no need for pejorative accompaniments!

    Re misdirection, obviously it is not a bad idea ‘in a cryptic crossword clue’! I simply felt there that RED GIANT is a bit close to RED PLANET, and that the compiler had overlooked a possible link. It just grated for me. Also, although I did not point it up, ‘waves’ I feel is extraneous.

  25. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #25
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 2:19 pm at

    (Re the wave number, definitely not 😀 ).

  26. Avatar for Ian SW3
    Comment #26
    Ian SW3
    February 11, 2015 at 2:38 pm at

    Re hedgehoggy @18, I thought it was pretty much universally accepted that punctuation is ignored in parsing (with the exception of ? when it indicates an example) and that it if often used for purposes of intentionally misleading (i.e., cryptic) cluing.

  27. Avatar for muffin
    Comment #27
    muffin
    February 11, 2015 at 2:52 pm at

    Thanks Arachne and flashling
    Although Arachne is my favourite compiler, I didn’t particularly enjoy this one – mainly, I suspect, because I was completely baffled by several parsings (14a, 20a, 28a, 2d and 13d – an unusually large number!) I didn’t find many chuckles here either. Favourite was MILKMAN (though 1 km is rather closer to 5/8 of a mile than 2/3).

  28. Avatar for Peter Asplnwall
    Comment #28
    Peter Asplnwall
    February 11, 2015 at 2:59 pm at

    I found this very enjoyable and quite easy to solve. INFRA was LOI. Loved INCURIOUS, A PRIORI,MILKMAN and many more. I had BEGAN at 28ac but BEGUN is obviously better- now I have seen the blog.
    Thanks Arachne- and welcome back!

  29. Avatar for beery hiker
    Comment #29
    beery hiker
    February 11, 2015 at 3:00 pm at

    muffin @27 – you can find as many more accurate fractional representations of 1 km as you like, but 2/3 is close enough for me (rather like the pi=22/7 we used to use at school)…

  30. Avatar for Gervase
    Comment #30
    Gervase
    February 11, 2015 at 3:02 pm at

    Thanks, flashling.

    Hugely entertaining puzzle, with great surfaces and a lot of smiles along the way.

    I couldn’t parse INFRA, but I buy the idea of a homophone of ‘in for a’. ‘Red giant using sound waves’ has to be an indication that the answer is a homophone of MARX; ‘Mars’ is a red (giant) herring.

    Favourites were (inter alia) A PRIORI, MILKMAN, NODDY, INAMORATA, BING (with its reference to the nude Gormley statues on Crosby Beach).

  31. Avatar for muffin
    Comment #31
    muffin
    February 11, 2015 at 3:12 pm at

    beery hiker@29
    I frequently have to convert from km to miles. The conversion factor is 0.62137, so 5/8 (0.625) gives a more accurate estimate that 2/3 (0.67) – and isn’t much harder to do in your head!

  32. Avatar for Ian Payn
    Comment #32
    Ian Payn
    February 11, 2015 at 3:27 pm at

    Good puzzle, good blog, hate Spoonerism clues and always have but never mind.

  33. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #33
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 3:46 pm at

    Ian SW3 there are signs ? and ! to indicate things like dbe and cryptic definitions, as far as I know, so you wouldn’t ignore those. Yes I think they get used for effect too, and then you CAN ignore them.

    The point I tried to make to Mitz is that things like hyphens that join a definition to the first word of the clued part aren’t tolerated by everyone. I don’t like the practice of mutilating definitions, they should stand alone. It’s not clever either, anyone can do it. Of course a really well-disguised definition is a different thing, and there are some here to admire.

  34. Avatar for beery hiker
    Comment #34
    beery hiker
    February 11, 2015 at 3:55 pm at

    hedgehoggy @33 – I can’t help thinking that a world in which all crosswords satisfied you would be a much duller place!

  35. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #35
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm at

    Well, that’s just being horrible.

  36. Avatar for beery hiker
    Comment #36
    beery hiker
    February 11, 2015 at 4:02 pm at

    Sorry, no offence intended, but I still think it’s a fair comment. Some of us like compilers with compileritis, and appreciate humorous liberties…

  37. Avatar for SeanDimly
    Comment #37
    SeanDimly
    February 11, 2015 at 4:18 pm at

    To Dave Ellison @8: In 13d, I think “see below” might refer to 24d (which is below 13d in the grid). The clue for 24d invites us to “skip over”.
    That leaves us with “IN FOR A” minus the “O”, or INFRA.

    My thanks to Arachne and Flashling. I loved this crossword.

  38. Avatar for steve
    Comment #38
    steve
    February 11, 2015 at 4:23 pm at

    Marx is a giant among reds

  39. Avatar for Letzbefair
    Comment #39
    Letzbefair
    February 11, 2015 at 4:34 pm at

    Some good clues, as noted above (particularly liked the DOGMATISTS!), but a surprising number of (for Arachne) very easy ones, including AMNESIA, FACTS, GLAD, UNDIES, CONVERGE. it just didn’t represent the challenge we normally expect from this setter, and left us feeling disappointed.

  40. Avatar for Andy B
    Comment #40
    February 11, 2015 at 4:36 pm at

    I really enjoyed this puzzle, and my only unparsed answer was INFRA. I smiled at the “certain people” and “fellow afloat” definitions, and the Gormley-related clue for BING was a gem. I had no problem at all with the “Arch-villains” misdirection in 2dn because such cluing is very much an acceptable part of the Guardian’s house style. If I didn’t like it I wouldn’t bother doing Guardian crosswords.

  41. Avatar for Andy B
    Comment #41
    February 11, 2015 at 4:40 pm at

    SeanDimly@37 – an interesting idea but surely just a coincidence. Your possible explanation would either leave the clue without a definition (it is certainly not an &lit or a DBE) or would require “see below” to be doing double duty, which is always a no-no.

  42. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #42
    hedgehoggy
    February 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm at

    Well beery, I really do like some Guardian puzzles, as I’ve said, and when they’re good they tend to be great. I just find it a pity when they are spoilt by what looks like careless stuff.

  43. Avatar for Arachne
    Comment #43
    Arachne
    February 11, 2015 at 5:01 pm at

    Many thanks, Flashling – great blog after such a late start! Thanks to everyone for the comments.

    re 13dn: “see below” is intended to be the definition. Although Latin “infra” means “below, beneath”, when the word is used in a text I take it as an instruction to the reader to “see below”.

    The Crosby Beach Gormleys are rather haunting, and well worth a visit. They do look rather chilly on the average Lancashire day, though, so people bring them hats, scarves and loincloths. Especially loincloths.

    Love & hugs,

    Arachne

  44. Avatar for Ian SW3
    Comment #44
    Ian SW3
    February 11, 2015 at 5:03 pm at

    Hedgehoggy @33, I’m all for correct and clear punctuation (especially semicolons), but obscuring the line between definition and clue seems not just par for the course but in fact a large part of the fun. I can’t see why the definition should have a different treatment as to punctuation; it might make solving too obvious.

  45. Avatar for BlueDot
    Comment #45
    BlueDot
    February 11, 2015 at 5:21 pm at

    Thanks Arachne! That’s the most fun I’ve had with a puzzle in a while.

    MILKMAN took me down Memory Lane to when my British colleagues had to explain a joke about the perks of their job including a company milk float!

  46. Avatar for Paul B
    Comment #46
    Paul B
    February 11, 2015 at 6:40 pm at

    Hedgehoggy should solve Times puzzles, where such niceties are as far as I am aware nearly always observed. Here at Anagruid anything is possible, and elsewhere too liberties may be taken as required. I feel sure he knows this life’s-rich-tapestry-style fact.

    Just saying, but I wouldn’t necessarily preclude The Times (for which Arachne also sets, if I have my facts right) from coming up with something wild and whacky. Whilst it may be correct to describe the organ as neo-Ximenean, it retains the capacity to shock and stun, such is the quality of its panel.

    Nice to see you back in gear Arachne – nice one!

  47. Avatar for Cookie
    Comment #47
    February 11, 2015 at 6:46 pm at

    Thanks again Arachne. Like Blue Dot, MILKMAN was very nostalgic for me. I was allowed to accompany the milkman on Saturday mornings as a girl. Thought I would Google ‘Wellington horse drawn milk floats’ and there in the first old photo was one just the same, no. 44. The hills were very steep, and one can see a log acting as brake behind the rear wheel to stop any backward slipping.

  48. Avatar for molonglo
    Comment #48
    molonglo
    February 11, 2015 at 6:57 pm at

    Thanks Arachne. The fun you had with this carried through, and to the solving.

  49. Avatar for slipstream
    Comment #49
    slipstream
    February 11, 2015 at 8:09 pm at

    Gervase @30 and Arachne @43: thanks for demystifying “Crosby Beach imported numerous Gormleys,” especially the photo. Though I solved the clue by the first-letters-only route, I had no idea what the reference was. Fifteensquared expands my horizons.

  50. Avatar for Brendan (not that one)
    Comment #50
    Brendan (not that one)
    February 11, 2015 at 10:30 pm at

    Probably my least favourite Arachne ever. The cluing just wasn’t as precise as usual.

    Several gripes which have all been mentioned. The top two being PASS (never heard of this with “on” or “away” (although it is in the SOED) and POOR supposingly sounding like POUR. (Not true I imagine for at least half the UK. In fact so far apart in my neck of the woods that I failed to get this!)

    Thanks to Flashlng and Arachne

  51. Avatar for Deviant
    Comment #51
    Deviant
    February 11, 2015 at 10:39 pm at

    A curious mix of wonderful (20, 22, 26, 25D) and pour, sorry, poor clues (13D & 6D were both very stretched). My wife’s from Crosby, so I got the reference immediately and laughed out loud when I realised the answer.
    Surprised at the troubles with 19A and 20, which I thought perfectly fair, indeed 19A was my first answer.

  52. Avatar for geof
    Comment #52
    geof
    February 12, 2015 at 12:45 am at

    @hedgehoggy, whenever

    I’ve been trying to think to think about the value of your contributions and I think I have a good analogy. There are two kinds of film critic – those who take directors on their own merits and those who try to impose absolute standards across all films. In the US, Siskel and Ebert, both sadly passed, were fantastic at the former – they could engage a new wave movie on its own terms, or a blockbuster or a Tarkovsky. They asked, what was the film trying to do and did it do it well. The other genre (more Janet Maslin in the NY Times for the Americans amongst us) had absolute standards, the reviews got pretty boring, coz they always just tried to make every film conform to their predilections. For me, Arachne is a Tarantino or a Coen brothers – of course she doesn’t follow Aristotelean unities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_unities); Auraucaria was a Kubrick. Your remarks *are* prickly, as per your name, but I’d encourage you to make them fun as well.

  53. Avatar for Brendan (not that one)
    Comment #53
    Brendan (not that one)
    February 12, 2015 at 8:18 am at

    geof @ 52

    Firstly I would take you to task for comparing Arachne to soemebody as crass as Tarantino. Arachne is fairly conservative/Ximenean in her setting. She is “different” in that she is very good.

    Secondly I think your comparison of comments on this board with film reviews is a little off the mark. As hedgehoggy (and myself) has often said his comments are his honest private reaction to a puzzle. A film review is something much more global. A reviewer’s comments are part of the industries reaction to a particular piece of work.

    Third, I would take your own advice to hedgehoggy. (Try and take posters on here on their own merit and engage with the comments on their own terms. 😉 )

  54. Avatar for hedgehoggy
    Comment #54
    hedgehoggy
    February 12, 2015 at 9:16 am at

    So kind Brendan, a balanced response on 15/2!

    Also, I do solve Times puzzles. The standard is very high, but you should see the posts TFTT! Some are vicious, I should say.

    😀

  55. Avatar for beery hiker
    Comment #55
    beery hiker
    February 12, 2015 at 11:34 am at

    hedgehoggy @54

    I never said you weren’t entitled to your opinion, and most of the time I can guess what that will be by now. All I was saying is that my views (as a Guardian solver for many years who only occasionally dabbles in crosswords in other papers) tend to be different. I don’t understand what is “horrible”, or unbalanced about that. I can’t help being reminded of the pot and the kettle…

    I liked Paul B’s comment @46

  56. Avatar for Shackleram
    Comment #56
    Shackleram
    February 13, 2015 at 12:04 pm at

    Great stuff, but MEDIAN is not the same as AVERAGE (23d).

  57. Avatar for Got10thumbs
    Comment #57
    Got10thumbs
    February 15, 2015 at 7:44 pm at

    @shackleram Although in everyday speech median might be regarded as different from average, basic statistics books generally introduce the median as one of three kinds of average, the others being mode and mean. So for me, that’s fine.

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