Guardian Cryptic 28,174 by Brummie

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The puzzle may be found at https://www.theguardian.com/crosswords/cryptic/28174.

That slipped down fairly easily. Brummie often has a theme, but I do not see one here.

ACROSS
1 UNDERHAND Labourer’s assistant could be so devious (9)
Definition and literal interpretation, as two words, UNDER HAND.
6 HOLD Believe house comes with vacant grounds (4)
A charade of HO (‘house’) plius L[an]D (‘grounds’) without its internal letters (‘vacant’). I cannot say that I am enamoured of the interpretation L[an]D, but I think it must be right.
8 OPEN-PLAN Switching on Apple with new version of office (4–4)
An anagram (‘switching’) of ‘on Apple’ plus N (‘new’).
9 VOLLEY Hail lovely ground (6)
An anagram (‘ground’) of ‘lovely’.
10 DREARY Wretched old Tory right-wingers holding back (6)
An envelope (‘holding’) of REAR (‘back’) in DY (‘olD TorY right-wingers’).
11 AFLUTTER Excitedly anticipating a modest backing (8)
A charade of ‘a’ plus FLUTTER (‘modest backing’ – a small bet).
12 RACKET Dodge Row (6)
Double definition, the first in the sense of an enterprise of questionable legality, the second, a noise.
15 SUPERIOR Lofty‘s ‘prior use’ rumpus (8)
An anagram (‘rumpus’) of ‘prior use’.
16 LAY PLANS Place vessels around large plot (3,5)
An envelope (‘around’) of L (‘large’) in LAY (‘place’) plus PANS (‘vessels’).The definition as a verb.
19 RESIDE Board‘s on edge? (6)
A charade of RE (‘on’) plus SIDE (‘edge’).
21 UMBRELLA Dancing rumba without a singer for protection (8)
A charade of UMBR, an anagram (‘dancing’) of ‘rumb[a]’ minus the A (‘without a’) plus ELLA (Fitzgerald, ‘singer’).
22 STROKE A zek or tsar with wings clipped, backing coup (6)
A reversed (‘backing’) hidden answer in ‘a zEK OR TSar’. ‘With wings clipped’ indicates the removal of the outer letters of the phrase (and hence justifies including the ‘a’). A zek is a gulag prisoner
24 RETURN Soak vessel and put back (6)
A charade of RET (‘soak’) plus URN (‘vessel’).
25 PARTICLE Pence’s ‘thing’? Just a little bit (8)
A charade of P (‘pence’) plus ARTICLE (‘thing’).
26 CLAY ‘Earth‘, the artist said (4)
Sounds like (‘said’) KLEE (Paul, ‘artist’).
27 SHOWPIECE That’s how pie ceremony reveals a fine specimen (9)
A hidden answer in ‘thatS HOW PIE CEremony’.
DOWN
1 UPPER Stimulant blows head off drinker! (5)
[s]UPPER (‘drinker’) minus its first letter (‘blows head off’).
2 DENMARK Working men in Black Country (7)
An envelope (‘in’) of ENM, an anagram (‘working’) of ‘men’ in DARK (‘black’).
3 RALLY Very last of troupe to quit demonstration (5)
R[e]ALLY (‘very’) minus the E (‘last of troupE to quit’).
4 ANNUALS Old reports about Ursula’s first bloomers (7)
An envelope (‘about’) of U (‘Ursula’s first’) in ANNALS (‘old reports’).
5 DEVELOPER Lee proved to be sporting photographer’s solution (9)
An anagram (‘to be sporting’?) of ‘lee proved’.
6 HOLSTER Colt might be secured by this composer, on reflection (7)
A charade of HOLST (Gustav, ‘composer’) plus ER, a reversal (‘reflection’) of RE (‘on’).
7 LIEGE LORD One-time superior European city with lake by old road (5,4)
A charade of LIEGE (Walloon name for Belgian ‘European city’) plus L (‘lake’) plus O (‘old’) plus RD (‘road’).
13 ALARM BELL Warning: a large branch by our cartoonist (5,4)
A charade of ‘a’ plus L (‘large’) plus ARM (‘branch’) plus BELL (Steve, of the Guardian, ‘our cartoonist’).
14 TRAMLINES Rigid principles for the running of public transport (9)
Definition and literal interpretation – or double definition, or whatever you want to call it.
17 PERJURY Exercise right to sit on panel — that’s a crime (7)
A charade of PE (‘exercise’) plus R (‘right’) plus JURY (‘panel’). ‘To sit on’ confirms the order of the particles (in a down light).
18 SHAMPOO Start to smoke joint and smell clean hair (7)
A charade of S (‘start to Smoke’) plus HAM (‘joint’ of meat) plus POO (‘smell’).
20 SERVICE Mass association of king and clergy member shortly in church area? (7)
An envelope (‘in’) of R (Rex, ‘king’) plus VIC[ar] (‘clergy member’) minus the last two letters (‘shortly’) in SEE (diocese, ‘church area’). The “definition” is an indication by example.
22 STRAP One leaves the old governor’s band (5)
S[a]TRAP (‘the old governor’) minus A (‘one leaves’).
23 KYLIE Sort of boomerang likely to lose line and deviate (5)
An anagram (‘deviate’) of ‘[l]ikely’ minus one of the Ls (‘to lose line’). KYLIE and KILEY are alternative spellings, and alternative anagrams, and it needs 27A (‘or a lucky guess) to see which is required.

 

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65 comments on “Guardian Cryptic 28,174 by Brummie”

  1. What the deuce, I finished this and saw the theme, so game set and match! A sop perhaps to those missing Wimbledon.

    Enjoyable and I agree slipped down relatively easily. Took me a bit to see SHOWPIECE and did not know the cartoonist’s name, but thought BELL was probably it. Fav was DENMARK.

    Thanks to Brummie for the fun and PeterO for the (delightfully early) blog.

  2. This tennis theme will be a bitter pill to swallow for Eileen who, according to a recent blog, had tickets to the cancelled Wimbledon – feeling sad for her. An enjoyable challenge from Brummie nevertheless. I appreciated all the theme words but also liked UMBRELLA at 21a (which could be considered a theme word I imagine), 6d HOLSTER and 18d SHAMPOO. The BELL part of ALARM BELL at 13d was also a guess for me, ngaiol@1. Made up for by the Aussie inclusion of KYLIE, 23d, a word which is perhaps more well known overseas because of the export of our “singing budgie”. I couldn’t parse DREARY at 10a, thinking Brummie meant both DRY and REAR to be the fodder, which would have given one two many Rs. So thanks for the elucidation – and the rest of the blog, of course – PeterO. And thanks to Brummie – I think you aced this one!

  3. I managed to finish this by putting in several answers with only about 70% confidence that they were right, making for a less than satisfying solve. No particular fault of the setter, I just can’t get my mind to work like Brummie’s. I parsed HOLD as did PeterO but wondered if that was Brummie’s intent. Didn’t know that meaning of FLUTTER or TRAMLINES, and the cartoonist was also unknown to me. Thanks to PeterO for explaining these, and thanks to Brummie for the challenge.

  4. P.S. I recently read an article saying that COVID could signal the end of the OPEN-PLAN office (8a) even if some people do go back to work in the old way – and nigh on 50% of jobs could now be done from home.
    BTW, I was also unconvinced by 6a HOLD, PeterO. To be fair, that answer should be HOGS – which wouldn’t work with the definition or the crosser at 9d.

  5. [DiNC@3, we crossed, or I would have acknowledged your further comment on 6a HOLD. Hope you, PeterO and fellow Americans on this site are staying safe; so worried about your upswing in COVID transmission. My son in Brooklyn tells me NYC stats are actually going down, though I am not really all that reassured. A spike here in Australia is also of concern, especially as we thought we were managing the pandemic reasonably well.]

  6. [JinA, thanks for your words of concern. Your son now appears to be in one of the safer parts of the country. From what I hear, the state of New York has been handling things reasonably well, though we have certainly been hampered by a lack of national leadership.]

  7. The theme seems to be tennis. I spotted UNDERHAND, VOLLEY, RACKET, STROKE, RETURN, CLAY, RALLY, TRAMLINES, and SERVICE as tennis-related answers. One could also argue for STRAP (a tennis elbow preventative) and KYLIE (cf an infamous photo shoot). One might cynically add DREARY, depending on one’s view.

  8. Like Dave@3, had to guess a few then confirm by Google, but got there in the end.  I also second Dave@6.

    For 26a, en route to CLAY/KLEE, I spent a while trying to coerce GAIA/GOYA.  I still think that’s a great answer, even though it doesn’t work!

  9. Missed the theme but now it seems so obvious. Enjoyed CLAY, ANNUALS, PERJURY, and especially HOLSTER. I spelled KYLIE “kiley” so I never saw SHOWPIECE — as usual it was a DNF for me. Thanks Brummie and PeterO for the blog.

  10. Steve Bell is a political cartoonist, famed for his “IF” strip.

     

    I saw the theme late on once I had SERVICE, so it was of no help in the solve.

    KYLIE as boomerang was unknown – surely that is not the origin of the first name?

  11. Ditto JinA re commiserations to Eileen and all would-be Wimbledon goers Given the state of play in Melbourne, I’m not even confident about the Oz Open, Jan ’21. Meanwhile, an enjoyable xwd, with a mild warning from the ump for the indirect ‘vacation’ at 6ac. Liked flutter for ‘modest backing’, but Ell the singer was a dnk-shrug. Zek in the 22ac fodder was apt, and Klee was the first 4-letter artist I thought of, but clay didn’t click til after perjury..slow! Ditto ret for soak, though an occasional regular. Bell the cartoonist was another shrug and bung. And yes, I too thought of the singing budgie at 23d, though I’ve heard that term, and others similar, for the iconic weapon. All good fun, thanks to Brummie and PeterO. Keep staying safe all.

  13. Slow and steady as she goes; there were a few I could not parse, but guesses and crossers saved the day. Also, not convinced that wretched really is a synonym of DREARY or that STROKE relates to coup. RET was new to me. I liked UNDERHAND and LIEGE LORD.

    Thanks to Brummie, and PeterO for the explications.

  14. Yes, I too thought of HOGS for 6ac but held out for the crosser, which gave me HOLD and like many was not enarmoured of it.

    Thanks Dave Ellison@10 for the link to “If”

  15. Greg@7, your list omits Umbrella, which is an essential accessory for Wimbledon fortnight.

  16. Thanks both. RET for soak was new to me (try to remember it!) and the only use of KYLIE other than the tiny singer was the unfortunate one of bed protection

  17. This went in fairly easily; like ngaiolaurenson@14 and others I wasn’t so enchanted by HOLD. Liked AFLUTTER (LOI for me). Didn’t know the meaning of KYLIE. Many thanks to Brummie & PeterO.

  18. Sad to say, it was only doing this crossie that I learned a kylie is a type of boomerang (and, from my research, apparently the source of the girl’s name – became popular here in the 60s, but not overseas until a certain Kylie made her mark). I wish I had looked for a theme, which leapt out at me once I looked after reading PeterO’s preamble, because it probably would have helped with my LOI SERVICE. I also was not convinced by HOLD. I do know of Steve Bell, as he appeared regularly in the Guardian Weekly (to which we have subscribed off and on since the 70s, when I first came across it in PNG). I am afraid to say I never found him very satisfying, though maybe I needed to know more of the minutae of Pommy politica than the GW provides). A steady solve, a few frustrating holdups, but all (pace 6a) in the end. Thanks, Brummie and PeterO.

  19. Thank you Brummie for the workout and PeterO for the insightful early blog.  I enjoyed this although it did not engender as many smiles of yesterday, but then I have a potty sense of humour.  Favourites were UNDERHAND, CLAY – I love a dodgy homophone – and SHAMPOO!

    Yes commiserations to Eileen and all you tennis fans out there, as a cricket fanatic I am looking forward to the 1st Test against the West Indies on the 8th.  I am used to watching County Cricket when often we seem to have been practising social distancing ever since, although I prefer to think of it as having a few friends round to watch the game!!

  20. Greg@7 HOLD, as in hold serve, is another tennis term, but I don’t know how you’ve got the cheek to include Kylie’s photo shoot.

  21. Favourite was 27a SHOWPIECE – I always like a clever inclusion clue, and the surface with the pie ceremony was great.  I also liked 7d LIEGE LORD.  Interesting (?) fact: in 1946 the city changed its name from Liége (acute accent) to Liège (grave accent)!

    Thanks Brummie and PeterO.

  22. Wow, that was tough for us today! Thanks for the workout, Brummie!

    A few not parsed so many thanks to PeterO for the explanations. Agree with what others have already said about HOLD.

    Today’s favourites were SHAMPOO and PERJURY.

  23. Well, thanks for all the sympathy, folks, After Vulcan’s TENNYSON clue on Monday, this was rather rubbing it in: it’s eight years since I last won the offer of tickets in the ballot. However, we’ve been told we’ll get the same offer next year, so fingers crossed. In the meantime, I’m enjoying strawberries and cream on the sofa each afternoon, watching the ‘Rewinds’ – and no need for an UMBRELLA.

    I echo the sympathy for all those anxious for their nearest and dearest and for themselves.

    As to the puzzle, I liked 26ac CLAY and 23dn KYLIE [because I was chuffed to have worked it out] and I smiled at Ursula’s bloomers.

    Thanks, Brummie and PeterO.

     

  24. Dr. WhatsOn @8: Glad I’m not the only one to try and do something with GAIA/GOYA (double fault!).

    Never heard of ret for soak either.

    I didn’t know you were allowed to have the outside letters of a word that was clued rather than given, as in 6a.

  25. A pleasant enough teaser. Agree that HOLD is not great – I parsed it in exactly the same way but did such a short word it was hard to be sure without both checked letters.

    More generally what are the editing rules/guidelines about a word such as SUPERIOR appearing in the clue for one word and as the answer to a crossing one? It seems a shame for Brummie to have put the thought into our head so blatantly.

  26. Oops, 21ac was umbra minus a plus famous singer, not umbra around (much less known) country singer…(do read blog first!)…

  27. Having read the blog, I saw all the Wimbledon references. Just needed strawberries and cream to complete the picture. I don’t suppose Djokovic is feeling too smug at the moment!

    I’m having a bit of an indirect vacation at the moment. Good solve without noticing the theme. I would normally expect the vicar shortly to be ‘vica’. Is ‘vacant grounds’ any more indirect than ‘clergy member shortly?’ Just asking …

    Thanks Brummie and PeterO.

  28. Wasn’t terribly excited by either LAY PLANS or HOLD, like others on here, but I did like the neatly concealed SHOWPIECE, even if hidden words once spotted, can be a bit of a giveaway. The backwards STROKE was a more obvious, rather awkward one, I thought. Enjoyable, though.

  29. Couple of nice touches, Robi, plus a good question re indirectness; see what the veterans reckon…

  30. Ref Steve Bell. He is often Marmite. But on occasions a genius. I will never forget his tributes to former Lib Charles Kennedy and Swedish Film Director Ingmar Bergman on their deaths. Pure works of art. Worth looking up. Ta for excellent blog.

  31. My theme antennae were twitching as soon as VOLLEY went in, but the clueing was clear enough that I didn’t need to go round shoehorning in tennis terms and parsing later. Winced at CLAY but that hardly sets me apart.

    Nice to see Steve BELL referenced. I’ve followed his If… strip ever since it firstaappeared but he’s such an old-style Corbynite that he can’t bear to see another in his hero’s place.

  32. I’m surprised some had not heard of Steve Bell. His If cartoons have been in the Guradian 4 days a week for nearly forty years and he’s often been Cartoonist of the Year. 29 books as well. I didn’t enjoy this puzzle. Maybe it was words like ret, zek, satrap, liege, kylie; maybe it was the annoyance of 6A when “Believe house comes with vacant land” would have been fine; maybe it was the double “superior”; maybe it was on = re happening twice. I failed LAY PLANS, which doesn’t feel like a real phrase. Probably just me.

     

  33. OPEN-PLAN was a nice chuckle.  I remember we used to have such things and I beleive I once went to one by 14d…  Ah, the memories…

  34. Greg@7 and others
    I’m pretty sure the “infamous tennis girl” photo dates back to the 1970s, and thus was not of Kylie Minogue. Though I can’t rule out that Kylie did some kind of tribute version.

    As to Kylie, it’s also (in various spellings) an anglicization of an Irish surname, independently from the boomerang meaning. I don’t know which Kylie Minogue’s name was inspired by. Could possibly be both given she is an Australian of (presumably given her surname) some kind of Irish heritage? Or maybe her choice of name was inspired by someone else who had Kiley as a first name?

  35. Ret is usually used to describe the process of soaking jute as part of its preparation.  I seem to remember seeing piles of jute retting in water in southern India and if my memory serves there was a bit of a pong as well!!

  36. Thanks Brummie and PeterO

    Little to add. I struggled in the SE, guessing the boomerang (who knew? presumably our antipodean friends) and SERVICE; I didn’t parse DREARY either. No theme for me, of course.

    Favourites LAY PLANS and SHOWPIECE.

  37. Others have summed up my feelings about the crossword. Like copland Smith, this one didn’t gel for me.

    I object to clues like that for HOLD, that require solvers to do work on non existent words that are one of many potential synonyms of a word actually given. By the same questionable token, LD could have been clued as “vacant Baron” (L[or]D), or “empty praise” (L[au]d). They are all equally problematic. In this case, the clue was impossible to solve without the L crosser.

    Regardless of where one stands on homophones as a general rule, I’m afraid I thought CLAY was a particularly bad example. It works if you’re, say, a Geordie. Otherwise I don’t think the pronunciation of CLAY sounds like how Klee is pronounced in the German, or in the “wrong” angicized version.

    In SHAMPOO, I don’t think “poo”, either as noun or verb means “smell” (even though the thing it does mean certainly does smell).

    A few other minor grumbles but those were the main ones. Thanks even so to Brummie and PeterO.

  38. I was surprised by some of the early posters (and PeterO) who found this on the easy side. I suppose it depends how flexible your brain was when you woke up this morning. But at least I remembered to look for a theme, and for the first time that I can recall in many years of the Guardian cryptic, spotting it helped me solve a couple of clues: RETURN  and SERVICE.

    Like copland smith @ 32 I didn’t find LAY PLANS a phrase that I have come across, except in “best laid plans of mice and men”, which I must admit to having used from time to time. It didn’t help that I was looking for a “place” that might have begun with SAN, SAO or LAS!

    I join Lord Jim @21 in applauding the pie ceremony at 27a, and I also thought the clue for STROKE was good.

    I led myself astray at 4d, when bloomers took me not in the direction of flowers but *hangs head in shame* Terry Wogan’s Auntie’s Bloomers. And my years of working in the betting industry hadn’t equipped me for equating “modest backing” with FLUTTER.

    Not sure why the homophone CLAY for Paul Klee has evinced winces. Sounds good to me.

    Thanks to Brummie for the brain stretching, even though this was a dnf for me.

  39. [David @34: Kylie’s father is a fifth-generation Australian and has Irish ancestry, while her mother came from Wales. Both the possible derivations you mention – Noongar word for boomerang; Irish surname – have been mooted. There was an Australian author – Kylie Tennant – who was well known in the 40s-50s, and the name became very popular in Australia into the 60s. Thanks, Wikipedia!

    In 1988, I taught in Leominster, Herefordshire for a year. When the students found out I was Aussie, I was asked if I knew anybody famous, which puzzled me. It turned out that they wanted to know if I knew Kylie Minogue. Having never watched Neighbours, I didn’t know what they were on about (though Kylie did have a big hit with I Should Be So Lucky that year).]

  40. Daivid @37. When I was about four years old, we lived for a few months on the outskirts of Luton and would sometimes go for a walk in the country which took us down a track that passed a sewage treatment plant. We called this Poo-y Lane. So smell=poo worked fine for me!

  41. Sheffield hatter, ha! What an evocative anecdote, it made me laugh. But I disagree that is supports poo = smell. Surely the young you was using the well-established adjective pooey (spelling?) meaning poo-like. Your lane was reminiscent of or similar to poo in that both smell. It doesn’t follow that poo means smell.

  42. That was a pleasantly relaxing stroll, with a few impressive clues, e.g. 8 & 10Ac. Is “to be sporting” a valid anagrind? Didn’t even think of looking for a theme until the fifth set, so to speak. But I do notice that if you CRUDELY REORDER the letters in the left and right hand columns, you get…

  44. As always with me and the guardian I found this a challenge but and enjoyable one, I am still on a learning curve.

  46. HOLD was my FOI and one of my faves along with SHAMPOO, CLAY & SHOWPIECE which I suppose says something about how subjective this can all be. I found this quite hard work although I can lay some blame on the distraction of having a new laptop too configure. That’s my excuse anyway. A plethora of musical inspiration today – Rihanna’s UMBRELLA, the STROKEs or if movies are more your thing then SHAMPOO with Warren Beatty and Julie Christie. Cheers all

  47. Oh and I had a much more convoluted parse for DREARY with the old tory right being DRY as opposed to WET (remember them?) with the wingers being D & Y  – it seemed to make sense at the time 🙂

  48. I couldn’t parse HOLD.  I thought I could parse HOLS, the LS being lees (sediment, ‘grounds’) vacated, so expended much futile mental energy trying to make it fit the definition.

    Otherwise I didn’t find this at all easy, but enjoyed getting there in the end.

    I wonder if a DANNII is an ingenious weapon too?

    Thanks Brummie and PeterO.

  49. KYLIE as a boomerang was new to me today, as was RET.  I did know the name before Ms Minogue though, as belonging to Kylie Flinker – the first (and IMHO best) of the three actresses to play Lucy Robinson in Neighbours.  She gave up acting after that and became an interior designer I think.

  50. Thank you for parsing HOLD, Peter.  I never would have thought of L[an]D in a million years.

    Kylie led me down a google path to lots of boomerang lore.  Who knew that hunting boomerangs fly straight and don’t return, just kill the target.

    The kangaroo can jump incredible.
    He has to jump, because he’s edible.
    I could not eat a kangaroo,
    But many fine Australians do.
    Those with cookbooks as well as boomerangs
    Prefer him in tasty kangaroo meringues.

    Ogden Nash

    I can’t resist putting in my favorite Tom Swifty, which I put in on the earlier puzzle so late that nobody will see it.   “We’re adrift,” said Tom cantankerously.

     

  51. I’ll put my hand up for spending far too long on HOGS and GAIA/GOYA as well, and being utterly unfamiliar with RET. But having raced through most of the top half, everything got bogged down. Some defs seemed a stretch, but I think that’s a wavelength thing, and not being confident in the parsing of the clue.

    Not much grounds for complaint (although I don’t like DREARY), but I found it hard going.

  52. Didn’t do well here. Couldn’t get LAY PLANS- or couldn’t get the LAY bit anyway- and didn’t see the theme. I hate tennis but I don’t think that was the reason.Quite chuffed to have found that KYLIE was a boomerang- great description of Ms Minogue from JinA I thought.
    Thanks Brummie.

  53. On reflection, “on reflection” doesn’t work as a reversal indicator in a down clue (HOLSTER). If you look at a word written across in a mirror, the letters will be in reverse order, but if it was written down, the individual letters would be back to front, but in the same order.

    There was a standing essay prize when I was at college for the best explanation of this.

  54. I think LD for LAND is a step too far away from the clue – it needs to be the word itself which is gutted, not a synonym of it.

  56. essexboy @55

    It more depends on where you put your head (normal, or tilted over so your eyes are one above the other)!

  57. Well, I spent far too long on 1a, trying to find firstly an anagram (could be) of ‘so devious’, followed by an anagram (devious) of ‘could be so’. AND trying to find the letters h, a, n & d in them.

  59. I found this hardish but fair. Spotted the theme early, but it didn’t help much, except for making me think of RACKET. In fact, it was a hindrance in trying to get the elusive LAY PLANS, for which I kept looking for a tennis connection. I’m afraid I’m another for whom DREARY was a themed answer.

    Thanks to Lord Jim @21 for the interesting news that LIÈGE was LIÉGE until 1946. Despite spending a large part of my working life in Belgium I’d never known that. But while I’m on Belgian nomenclature (a subject of all-consuming interest to the residents of that country) can I superpedantically suggest to PeterO that LIÈGE isn’t simply ‘the Walloon name’ for the city – it’s the official name, since it’s in the Walloon (French-speaking) part of the country. People in the Flemish- or German- speaking parts of the country call it LUIK or LÜTTICH respectively, making road signs from there very puzzling for unwary travellers. But the city’s name is LIÈGE.

    Thanks to Brummie and PeterO.

  60. Q:  Why does a mirror reverse left and right but not up and down?  A: Because of the superficial bilateral symmetry of the human body. In other words, the mirror doesn’t distinguish, our perception does.

  63. Not my sort of thing, sadly. 20d is a good example of the fiddly snipping and general jigsawing about which I just can’t get on with. When the parsing takes as long as that it isn’t very satisfying, I think. However I know the majority relish it, so hey ho……

  65. Probably too late for anyone to see but a mirror’s effect has absolutely nothing to do with human bilateral symmetry.  A mirror does not flip right from left but front from back.  Our convention for right and left is linked to which way we are facing.

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